READER COMMENTS ON”EXCLUSIVE: CITY OF BROOKFIELD BALLOT BAGS FOUND ‘WIDE OPEN’ IN WAUKESHA COUNTY, WI”(56 Responses so far…)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]… dael said on 5/5/2011 @ 8:55 pm PT…
the Brookfield accessible accoutrements should accept the ballots fingerprinted and akin with poll books, all of this advice should be corroberated
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 8:58 pm PT…
Thanks for amend – don’t apperceive why I accept to get this from a blog in CA instead of WI or from posters in WI, but no one abroad absolutely covers acclamation artifice except you and Black Box Voting.
That bag-of-hot-air, eddie schultz (we got ed my ass!) ridiculed the abstraction of blab and said, “she lost, get over it!”
I accept not listened to that asshat aback – he had the adventurousness to accompany a appearance to madison and pretend to be arch the parade, but he stood bottomward on this issue!
I don’t apperceive what he says now – don’t affliction – he is absolutely a media shill/hypocrite/side appearance carnie.
Some one absolutely should alarm him this – buzz in, see if he will booty the alarm (he wouldn’t aback I alleged and he was audibly poo-pooing the idea).
Please additionally let me abide to ask readers to allotment experience, backbone and hope:
Economic activity – BOYCOTTS, were bald to actualize about all allusive accelerating change in this county; yet abundant like you were flamed and apprenticed from boards over accepted acclamation artifice posts, it is absurd to get bodies to appoint in a chat about allusive actions.
Please, every remember, our claimed decisions to buy or not buy accessories because of their political affiliations is a start; but if we do not accept an accessible and boundless chat that there is absolutely a boycott, it absolutely agency nothing.
I don’t get why we can’t accept a rational chat about activity – this is so sad and sick.
Can addition advice interject and beforehand a allusive chat on one of the few “progressive/liberal” blogs that is absolutely in advanced of the arresting issues of the day? Can we allocution about:
THE FACT THAT ELECTIONS ARE STOLEN WITH MONEY PROGRESSIVES AND LIBERALS SPEND WITH CERTAIN CORPORATE AND BUSINESS INTERESTS!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]… Ernest A. Canning said on 5/5/2011 @ 8:59 pm PT…
Brad: Booty a abutting attending at bag #4. The autography for the cross-out and backup cardinal in acquainted brand is absolutely not that of the abandoned who wrote “Brookfield” and the aboriginal cardinal on bag #4.
Judge Mawdsley’s accommodation to accessible the accoutrements and artlessly dump out the ballots so as to admittance a co-mingling of the contested ballots with those that had been in the closed accoutrements is annihilation abbreviate of mind-boggling.
The possibly tampered with accoutrements should accept been absolute and their capacity counted separately, so as to bottle the argument of the Kloppenburg campaign.
About the best that can be said about all this is that breadth acclamation artifice can be agitated out broad by a awful drudge of an e-voting arrangement that is kept from accessible appearance by a vendor’s affirmation that their antecedent codes are advantaged to barter abstruse protection, aback afflicted into a duke count, efforts to alter with the acclamation bag seals cannot be hidden.
I’m absorbed to accede with those who feel that a U.S. Amends Administering assay may be acceptable at this point.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:00 pm PT…
Darl – atom on, but what do you appetite to bet the repugs are now stickin’ there easily in there and accomplishing aggregate they can to say:
“OF COURSE THERE ARE FINGERPRINT ANOMALIES – WE HAD TO STICK OUR DIRTY LITTLE PIGGY REPUG HANDS IN THERE CUZ WE SAW THE HOLE!”
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]… Ernest A. Canning said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:00 pm PT…
Too backward for fingerprints, Dael. The acclamation board handled the accoutrements with the bald hands. The bigger adjustment would be to admission autography exemplars from all of the acclamation agents that had admission to the ballots.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:06 pm PT…
Ernest – conceivably you don’t apperceive that, but a congresswoman and the accompaniment has been beggin’ obama’s amends administering to at atomic booty a look!
These afresh and connected amuse abatement on deafened ears. Amuse remember, obama is the guy that ran as a “constitutional scholar/professor” and afresh best up absolutely breadth dur chimpfurher larboard off and alike proclaimed he has the appropriate to annihilation US citizens afterwards due process!
Not activity to get any advice from DOJ, buddy. Not meant aweless – apologetic if it sounds so.
Folks like me in WI accept apparent contiguous how this administering has abandoned us on the best analytical issues of the day.
And NO! obama axis his aback on his abject in its best analytical time of charge was not 11-dimensional chess.
It is added affidavit that we are now seeing bush’s third term!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]… Emily said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:13 pm PT…
The seals on those accoutrements are declared to be “tamper evident.” Not to accomplish analytical impossible, but to accomplish it bright aback the defended alternation of aegis of the ballots aural the accoutrements has been broken. Well, it’s bright the defended alternation of aegis has been broken. Now, what will be done about it? This is the SAME catechism that should accurately be asked should the seals themselves acknowledge that the accoutrements had been tampered with. If no activity is taken, what’s the point of those seals, anyway?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:17 pm PT…
Ernest – if they can so auspiciously abide arrest the action (and it began BEFORE the elction) her
You can’t absolutely analyze all of those association and so while you are cerebration and actuality absolute (and I am not proclaiming you “wrong”), that isn’t absolutely acceptable to advice either.
The action is chic and no one will allocution about how they do it: with the money that liberals and progressives spend!091C5
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:22 pm PT…
Oh – brad won’t acquiesce comments about how elections are chic now.
Thanks for actuality bold that you are aloof addition self-promoting sham-artist aloof like “big ed”
Perhaps that is why kos and others flamed and banned you – I acutely accept that amiss aback I believed you that they couldn’t angle your “integrity” and apropos over acclamation fraud.
Now admiration your choir is so quiet and, admitting some acceptable posts, you are not absolutely alike a “small dog” on the blog scene.
Is the “Your animadversion is apprehension moderation” on column 6 a annihilate (meaning I owe you an apology) or a “feature” of bradblog?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]… stop koch crimes said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:23 pm PT…
Not that I see there is absolutely a chat aces of advancing aback and blockage again…
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:39 pm PT…
Ernie @ 2 said:
I’m absorbed to accede with those who feel that a U.S. Amends Administering assay may be acceptable at this point.
While that ability be nice, I’m not abiding that they accept any administration actuality at all. I don’t accept (though I could be wrong) that any of WI’s counties abatement beneath aegis of the Voting Rights Act. And the acclamation was a state, not federal election. So not abiding beneath what administration they’d be able to appear into the matter, alike if they basic to (and, you know, of course, they NEVER appetite to.)
Also, you appropriate the ballots from the Brookfield accoutrements were alloyed in with all the others. I don’t apperceive if that’s authentic or not. Aloof FYI. I’d like to think, as with added instances like this, they would calculation them, but set those numbers abreast in case of claiming later.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:42 pm PT…
Um, SKC, you had been added than acceptable to column annihilation actuality at all. For the moment, you still are. But your beforehand on me is absolutely NOT cool, accustomed that your animadversion fell into cursory auto-moderation due to commodity or added in the agenda triggered the spam clarify and put the animadversion into the mod alternation until I was able to get to it.
Sky bottomward there, Skippy. Thanks.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 5/5/2011 @ 9:58 pm PT…
Ernie –
Following up my antecedent acknowledgment to you, looks like the Journal Sentinel’s advantage suggests the Brookfield ballots were set aside, as such…
The Board of Canvassers agreed to calculation the votes, which can be articular abandoned if necessary.
Feel better?
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]… Magginkat said on 5/5/2011 @ 10:01 pm PT…
It sounds as admitting this acclamation should be voided and alpha all over, befitting that agee agent abroad from the ballots. Ability it be time for cardboard ballots counted in anniversary belt with oversight.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]… Jay T said on 5/6/2011 @ 7:05 am PT…
You apperceive what, afterwards account comments (not on this armpit but on jsonline), bodies don’t care. They would rather bung mud at anniversary other, alarm anniversary names, and abandoned affliction that their ancillary won or lost.
What we appetite to see, oversight, cellophane voting, etc, is never activity to happen. All bodies affliction about is their applicant and to hell with the added one. I’ll bet our Founding Fathers if they apprehend the comments would be arrant appropriate about now.
Thank you for the acceptable fight, unfortunately, it’s a accident cause.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 5/6/2011 @ 7:14 am PT…
Brad @11,
The admiral did a axle up job in the Kentucky “election system”, a accompaniment system, by alleging RICO crimes that afflicted artery commerce.
People from alfresco the accompaniment were said to be complex in an beforehand comments on this fiasco.
Perhaps Ernie is on to commodity in that context.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]… dael said on 5/6/2011 @ 7:39 am PT…
the account that fingerprint assay can be played with is naive. It can all be sussed out!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]… molly said on 5/6/2011 @ 7:43 am PT…
#5
Right.
Looks like the blab is an accomplishment to awning up affirmation of amiss doing.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]… Botany said on 5/6/2011 @ 7:44 am PT…
Scott Walker “as continued as there aren’t ballots somehow begin out of the dejected that weren’t counted before”
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]… Ernest A. Canning said on 5/6/2011 @ 9:19 am PT…
Well, Brad, I’m admiring to see that they’ve kept the challenged ballots segregated.
When you abode this latest development aural the ambience of Nickolaus’ April 7 “surprise” would it be too abundant to beforehand that the Brookfield GOP has attempted to “seal” the deal?
Just addition burst absolute activity account from The BRAD BLOG.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 5/6/2011 @ 9:54 am PT…
He said he objected and asked the adjudicator to accessible the added accoutrements first, and not # 3, but the adjudicator said NO. Bill said it’s in the account and we accept a almanac of it. BUT…they started counting the ballots in bag 3 first. By this time the ……media started cloudburst in.
Darcy said that with this big a burghal …that we’re talking accoutrements of votes (I anticipate she said 10,000). I don’t apperceive how abounding votes we’re talking here, but this is actual suspicious. Why couldn’t the adjudicator wait? Why did they accessible # 3 first? Darcy said the adjudicator was in the anteroom talking to Kevin Kennedy about it. I had to leave, I was too upset.”
ok that is a adhesive of the adduce from aboriginal huge aperture in custody(day 1 of recount) aback boondocks of delafeild presented an inspectors account with 2 accoutrements on it and 3 accoutrements presented to be “recounted”
as you can see kennedy,head of gab was there acutely directing,confering with the adjudicator that has taken nickols abode in the ‘recount”
so what does that accomplish this gab statement?i acceptance technically actual aback the agent was not there but absolute apocryphal aback the head(kennedy) was administering the arch of the canvassers
When we queried the G.A.B. about incidents of acclamation accoutrements with missing or aching out numbers from Waukesha’s Boondocks of Delafield, in abuse of alternation of aegis procedures, a agent told The BRAD BLOG they would not be alms a acknowledgment on such issues until afterwards the “recount” was completed in the county.
“I haven’t been abreast on that bearings and so I can’t animadversion on it at this point,” the G.A.B.’s Reid Magney told us on Tuesday.
“Generally we don’t accept advice about these things until we get account from the county. We don’t get the account until the absolute canton has completed their count,” he explained
/////so from the alfresco attractive in,it seems there are a accumulation of able “foxes” attention the waukesha “hen house”
and day afterwards day it gets worse
ty for the advertisement brad!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]… Randy D said on 5/6/2011 @ 1:36 pm PT…
If addition was absorbed in autograph laws that would absolutely bare acclamation fraud, one accouterment would be that in the case of any acclamation box (bag, etc.) actuality begin unsecure, all unsecure ballots would be marked, and a abounding blab of ALL RACES be conducted to verify these were the aboriginal ballots.
It is accessible to actuality acclamation boxes afterwards the actuality to bout fraudulent-reported totals — if you can get abroad with breaking the seals. However, it is abundant added difficult to accumulate the totals for all the added contest the same.
P.S. This aforementioned arrangement of opened acclamation boxes took abode during the New Hampshire primary blab of 2008.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]… Munchkin said on 5/6/2011 @ 2:50 pm PT…
Ding Dong The witch Lost. Get over it acclamation liberals.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]… jenster said on 5/6/2011 @ 2:51 pm PT…
There needs to be an assay of WHO had the ballots while they were actuality transported from Brookfield to Waukesha. That is a basic articulation in the alternation custody. not aloof Brookfield and Waukesha.
Who had a motive to open/tear the acclamation accoutrements and accident Brookfield ballots actuality tossed out. Disenfranchisement on a massive scale!
Hmm. could it be UNIONIZED burghal artery workers? Oh no, abutment workers NEVER would do such a thing!
All it would booty is an advised bribery of the bags. Like a apache in the samsonite ad.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]… <strike>Reporter</strike> Munchkin said on 5/6/2011 @ 2:58 pm PT…
The foulest aperture is Kloppenburgs mouth.She should go on bout with Loud Aperture Lena, and Sticky fingers Larson.All that comes out of their mouths would be best acclimated on a admixture heap.
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COMMENT #26 [Permalink]… Chris Hooten said on 5/6/2011 @ 3:21 pm PT…
Munchkin and Reporter:
What’s with the abhorrence and vitriol? We aloof like ballots counted correctly, and kept in the able alternation of aegis so no cheating goes on at all. What is to abhorrence about that? Why would that accomplish addition so angry?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 5/6/2011 @ 4:22 pm PT…
In a wartocracy this is the way elections are done all the time.
But the botheration here, from the wartocracy point of view, is that the acclamation minions did not awning it up with the “quality” a hundred added acclamation locales did.
This artifice was not up to the civic standards.
But they can handle a few adulterated afflicted elections every already in awhile.
At atomic it keeps the activists active for awhile.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]… Doug said on 5/6/2011 @ 6:54 pm PT…
“Amazing what ya acquisition aback u pay abutting attn to #WIvote “recount” numbers. Unless added votes than voters & such like ain’t your thing. #Fail”
Please explain your cheep Brad. I havent heard about this.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 5/6/2011 @ 8:03 pm PT…
Dredd sedd @ 16:
The admiral did a axle up job in the Kentucky “election system”, a accompaniment system, by alleging RICO crimes that afflicted artery commerce.
People from alfresco the accompaniment were said to be complex in an beforehand comments on this fiasco.
Perhaps Ernie is on to commodity in that context.
The massive Clay County, KY vote buying/selling, e-vote apparatus accouterment aspersion you accredit to had to do with elections for federal offices, as able-bodied as a agglomeration of narcotics trafficking, sales, as allotment of a federal assay that started years beforehand and afresh beforehand into the acclamation artifice case.
While I’d be all for the admiral advancing in to investigate the WI mess, I still don’t see the authoritative on ramp. (Unless, either commodity artery is seen, or one of the counties avalanche beneath the Voting Rights Act protections, which I haven’t yet arrested into.) I’ll be blessed to be apparent that I’m wrong, of course. AND, if any of the added elections, which included federal offices, in Waukesha were gamed, afresh the admiral could accept their entry.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 5/6/2011 @ 8:08 pm PT…
Karen @ 21 said:
I originally apprehend the address to beforehand that Kevin Kennedy (Director, Accepted Counsel of the G.A.B.) was in Waukesha as well. My advertisement aback afresh indicates that the G.A.B. was not on scene, and so the advertence to “Darcy said the adjudicator was in the anteroom talking to Kevin Kennedy about it.” acceptable referred to the adjudicator actuality on the buzz with Kennedy.
So breadth you say:
as you can see kennedy,head of gab was there acutely directing,confering with the adjudicator that has taken nickols abode in the ‘recount”
…I don’t accept it’s all-important accurate.
In added words, Kennedy may accept answered a catechism on that aboriginal day, as to how to proceed, afterwards the G.A.B. actuality absolutely apprehend into the issues in Waukesha. Or, afterwards the columnist agent Reid Magney, who I quoted, actuality apprehend into it, at least.
Again, giving the account of the doubt. Which they either deserve or they don’t. I’ll leave that to you.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]… Tra La La La La said on 5/6/2011 @ 9:15 pm PT…
12 Years of no oversight, no alternation of custody, no accountability, and no arrests accept larboard the USA with a absolutism of bent adopted banksters, and a commercialized badge accompaniment instead of a constitution.
It’s about funny how anybody bitches about for accumulation media not advertisement (or censoring), and afresh turns appropriate about and adduce their propaganda. Afresh they allegation about avoid this and avoid that.
Want activism, or to do commodity about it?
Blacklist their websites at your firewall, and beforehand your blacklists around, accomplish them extraneous because they are untrusted. This is afterwards all why 99% of you vote for the aforementioned old D and R candidates you do, you are brainwashed by the psyop controlled for accumulation media.
If you did this one thing, you would be added abreast than the leg crossers on tv. Aback your armed with facts, admiral shut up.
Myself, I don’t see the point of voting at all anymore. Why bother with the affect crap? It’s done, in 12 years it’s the aforementioned crap, anniversary time accepting worse. It’s the aforementioned people, the aforementioned lies, and the aforementioned abridgement of jail. The USA’s basic consign now is war and death. Ability as able-bodied adore the ride, it won’t be continued now.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]… Chris Hooten said on 5/6/2011 @ 11:21 pm PT…
Giving up or not voting is not a applicable option.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]… molly said on 5/7/2011 @ 4:35 am PT…
#31
You accept a point.
I accept noticed for abounding years now that accelerating websites abash acclamation annexation information. Some commenters on these websites assume to apperceive a lot! But now the websites are so heavily censored that alike the comments are not as good. I will say that Daily Kos is accomplishing a admirable job…so who knows , maybe the blow of them will follow.
Democracy Now acclimated to accept a lot of Wisconsin coverage, afresh the blind came down. Now they appearance a few clips of Obama and Hillary every day. I anticipate the absolute botheration has never been addressed. That our govt. is absolutist and the account media is, including online, managed. I accept noticed with the authentic govt. betray that has been the best absorption to me…wind farms…
They administer with bribes.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 5/7/2011 @ 6:00 am PT…
Brad @29,
A apprehend of The Indictment does not advertise accuse bound to or primarily accompanying to federal elections, the accuse were accompanying to RICO bribery in canton elections:
11. The purposes of the Defendants were to obtain, solidify, bottle and aggrandize for the defendants and their associates, political ability and ascendancy aural the county, and claimed accessory for themselves and their associates, through the use and abusage of the ascendancy and ability of the Board, and the offices of ambit judge, administrator of schools, and canton clerk, and the positions of acclamation officers.
12. The Defendants able their purposes through a arrangement of, amid added things, bribery, extortion, and mail artifice advised to abject and affect the aftereffect of elections, by … [recruiting] bodies to run for canton offices on a “slate” that would account from the aggregate efforts of associates of the action …
(Indictment, pp 4-5). The Los Angeles Badge Administering was captivated to be a bent action in addition RICO case some years back.
The admiral can accompany federal bent accuse of this blazon in any acclamation for any state, county, or borough acclamation if the acclamation is fraudulent.
It does not accept to be a federal acclamation (House, Senate, President) for this federal bent law to be applied. But it can be activated in absolutely federal elections too.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 5/7/2011 @ 6:10 am PT…
RE #34,
My point is that the Kentucky accuse could accept been brought for abandoned one state, county, or burghal election, breadth no federal applicant is involved.
That case covered both local, county, state, and federal elections, but the primary beforehand of the Indictment was ELECTION CORRUPTION which can appear in any election.
The admiral can arraign in Wisconsin for any agnate ELECTION CORRUPTION alike admitting it involves abandoned a accompaniment official.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 5/7/2011 @ 6:24 am PT…
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]… D Wilson said on 5/7/2011 @ 7:02 am PT…
uh, commenter #2 — I alive in Wisconsin, I voted for kloppenburg, I am a abutment accompaniment employee, I’ve particpated in blab organizing, I spent a few canicule agitation at the accompaniment capital, activity through the metal detector & all that. But I additionally anticipate we should “get over it.” You accept (I think?) you are not from Wisconsin. Therefor you are forgiven for not alive that the vote totals in Brookfield is about what you’d apprehend for that (very Republican) area.
I aloof don’t appetite to attempt the recalls, which I anticipate accept a reasonable adventitious of afterwards in up to 4 cases. Whether justified or not, angry this action over the Kloppenburg-Prosser chase over technicalities will aching the added causes, and int he end the aftereffect will not change. There comes a time to cut your losses, and move on to focus on things you can still win, and you charge the “swing voter” to win. Stubbornly adhering to technicalities in this chase will not advice the anti-Walker cause, it will hurt.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… Doug said on 5/7/2011 @ 7:39 am PT…
uh animadversion #37…Technicalities? Seriously? We accept never won annihilation by authoritative our decisions out of fear. If your afraid about how the media will portray it anguish no more, we will never win that battle. We dont own them, they dont assignment for us. They will never circuit it or anatomy it in our favor, let abandoned aloof address the facts. The blab is the appropriate affair to do, its address ablaze on abounding “technicalities” as you say as able-bodied as austere flaws with the blab itself. I say this as a WI resident, addition who helped the Kloppenburg campaign, spent a night in the capitol and has been agitation abundant times at and about the capitol.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]… Robert Earle said on 5/7/2011 @ 7:47 am PT…
I brought up the Waukesha video beck this morning, and appealing abundant the aboriginal affair I see is them accepting accessible to alpha counting the abutting precinct. Now what should appear is they accompany out the closed accoutrements of ballots from that belt and analysis the allowance numbers on the artificial bag ‘locks’ (sort of a twist-tie with a cardinal molded into the plastic). They should analysis that cardinal adjoin that cardinal hand-written with a Sharpie by a poll artisan on the bag, and adjoin the cardinal accounting by a poll artisan a allotment of cardboard alleged the ‘custody record’ or commodity like that.
There are four accoutrements of acclamation for the authentic belt (which if the alleged out the cardinal of the belt for the cloister anchorman in the room, I didn’t apprehend it). None of the four allowance numbers is accounting on the aegis record, and one of the four numbers is afield transcribed assimilate the bag itself. There’s a woman in the allowance who is walking about more-or-less cogent bodies what to do, so I’m bold she works for the canton clerks office. And she says that she bagged those herself; she can acquaint by the autography and the way she acclimated added (non-numbered) ties to allowance the bag.
Now I acceptance a actuality from the clerk’s appointment could accept been an arch poll artisan at a authentic belt on acclamation day, but that would be odd. And if she is an agent of the clerks office, you’d anticipate she would accept done a bigger job of recording the bag numbers on the aegis record; apathy to address it on the accoutrements wouldn’t all that bad, but autograph the numbers on the aegis almanac is the accomplished point of accepting cardinal on the seals in the aboriginal place!!
While all this is activity on, about in the room, I can apprehend ballots actuality fed into acclamation scanner/tabulator machine. It is the complete I apperceive to be from an Optech Eagle (though I acceptance added machines could accomplish agnate sounds), as they are acclimated in Madison breadth I assignment at the polls. Aback they accomplishment whatever it is they’re doing, they advertise that the calculation the apparatus has done is ‘off by four’. A few account later, I can apprehend apparatus counting again.
What the hell are these bodies doing!?
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]… Robert Earle said on 5/7/2011 @ 8:14 am PT…
So a little added along, I can now apprehend (repeatedly) the ‘error’ complete of an Optech Eagle, the babble it would accomplish if it begin an overvote or a bare ballot. This is a little odd, because overvotes and blanks should accept been bent and adapted by voters at the polling abode on acclamation day.
But the (sadly) funny affair is one added the added women who has been walking about administering bodies what to do says out loud “Why is it authoritative that noise!?”
If you’re a poll worker, during acclamation day whatever abroad you’re doing, in the aback of your mind, you’re alert for that babble because if you apprehend it, somebody has to jump and go to the Optech tabulator and advice the aborigine acquisition out what they’ve done wrong, etc. There should be no catechism in your apperception “Why is it authoritative that noise”. And if you’re a artisan in the clerks office, you should apperceive that babble from hours of prepping, testing and “zeroing out” the Optechs in the canicule afore acclamation day.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]… Robert Earle said on 5/7/2011 @ 9:04 am PT…
There were apparatus counting Brookfield wards 18, 19, 20.
The ‘error’ noises were because they were active a “test deck” through a apparatus to do some array of allegory amid a pre-election day analysis accouter run on a authentic apparatus – why, I haven’t the aboriginal idea.
When the accomplished with wards 18, 19, 20, they removed the anamnesis backpack and closed it away. I accept no abstraction if was the aforementioned anamnesis backpack that was in the apparatus on acclamation day (God I achievement not).
And now they’re advancing to apparatus calculation 21, 22, 23, 24 by active a analysis accouter into an Optech tabulator. That is, they’re accomplishing a apparatus recount.
Now, the acumen that the duke recounts were ordered was that not abundant anamnesis “prom packs” could be scrounged up to both bottle the acclamation day anamnesis packs and accept abundant to do apparatus recounts. Maybe because added counties accept accomplished (and Waukesha is so far behind), abundant anamnesis brawl packs accept been ‘freed up’ such that Waukesha is switching over to apparatus counts to acceleration up? I’m abiding Brad will be blessed to apprehend that achievability
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]… Robert Earle said on 5/7/2011 @ 10:27 am PT…
I acceptance I should say that I can’t absolutely see the apparatus to verify that it is absolutely an Optech. But I will say that both the ‘good acclamation scanned’ complete and the ‘bad acclamation scanned’ complete are those of an Optech. As I said, I acceptance added machines could accomplish the aforementioned sounds.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/7/2011 @ 11:31 am PT…
Robert! SO blessed to apprehend you’re on the WAUKESHA LIVE FEED! THANK YOU SO MUCH! …and yah, you haven’t apparent *nothin* yet. Every day I’ve acquainted in I’ve been aghast…most canicule I can’t accept what I’m audition and seeing, sputtering in the FB Groupu animadversion accoutrement to the volunteers on the arena there, “Wait…did I aloof apprehend what I anticipation I heard?!?”
…Clerks testifying ON THE RECORD that they did not abide their paperwork with those aegis allowance numbers on campaigning address and DON’T RECOGNIZE THE HANDWRITING ON THE RECOUNT SHEETS/ accoutrements (?) of votes actuality counted that are *not* on the inspector’s analysis lists / BAGS WIDE OPEN with the seals still “intact”…the account goes on and on.
The Koch’s REALLY charge to cartilage up on their acclamation artifice skills. You accept to RE-SEAL the acclamation accoutrements afterwards you actuality them, boys. Amateurs…
Robert *and everyone* – we are actively discussing this at Steve Freeman’s ELECTION INTEGRITY FACEBOOK GROUP, here:http://www.facebook.com/…sk=group_197815633590513
We accept WI volunteers on the arena in Waukesha (and from added municipalities) advertisement to us directly.
We could absolutely use EVERY ONE READING THIS to amuse analysis in w/ the Waukesha Co. livefeed, here: http://www.waow.com/cate…ounty-recount-livestream
Extra eyes and aerial are bald there *desperately*…especially BRADVILLIANS who apperceive this affair bigger than anyone. (oh, and acknowledgment for that, Brad!)
Klopp abandoned has one beforehand advocate and aborigine volunteers (fast acceptable EI experts from balloon by fire) – they are accomplishing aggregate right, angrily aghast absolutely breadth they should – but can’t get abundant absorption with the adjudicator (who replaced Nicholaus) to STOP THE COUNT on these accoutrements and SEQUESTER them for added examination. He’s aloof blame advanced and COUNTING THE SUSPECT BALLOTS ANYWAY…
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]… meremark said on 5/7/2011 @ 11:35 am PT…
-Brad @ 30
My interpreted suspicion from account Karen @ 21 centered about the adjacent times, in the accompaniment of the accession of an actionable “bag #3” absolute ‘thousands of votes’ at the annoying catalyst moment aback Kennedy-GAB’judge’ confer, alike their signals, whether on the buzz or babble ‘outside in the hall.’
Not all ‘coincidences’ are accidental or approximate and of no ‘suspect’ occurrence, exceptionable to consider; but ‘coincidences’ alternating a alternate motive are anytime doubtable and never random.
I doubtable the “bag #3,” its pre-conference and its contents, as it appears accession from the acreage breadth abandoned 2 accoutrements were clearly beatific for accession official ballots into.
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On involving federal assay and prosecution:
The admiral could ad-lib a law (as if none already apply) for their access into the Wisc. affray … if they were advancing Justice, (domestic tranquilty, Accepted able-bodied fare, and that Mission Account thing).
Consider: What if ‘the feds’ in Appointment these canicule (think: Obama, et al.), got their Appointment __by_the_same__ computer-rigged vote-count public-fraud class-action case(s) which we now apprehend ‘those feds’ to ‘solve’ and prosecute?
That ‘the feds’ now in Appointment do NOT break and arraign in Wisc. and Ohio and land’s sakes more, proves bashful abetment and tacit allowance by the inaction. The admiral now in appointment were chic vote-counts, or, as an beforehand articulation put it, “Obama is Bush III,” aforementioned old aforementioned old 2K and ’04 chic vote-counting afresh … ‘not gonna prosecute, wouldn’t be prudent’ w/apologies Dana Carvey.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/7/2011 @ 11:47 am PT…
I’d abnormally like to alone allure commenter D. Wilson (#37) to appearance the livestream from Waukesha. If he / she is absolutely from WI it should be added than abundant affirmation that the anamnesis elections you’re so afraid about won’t beggarly DIDDLY-DO if you can’t get a apple-pie vote.
Your argumentation is either back-asswards on this and you don’t assume to apprehension your own CATCH 22, or you apperceive annihilation about what’s absolutely activity on aback YOUR vote is counted in WI. Popping off at the aperture with any affair alike accidentally evocative of “get over it”…tells us added about you than you meant to reveal.
Giving you the account of the doubt, for now.Please accompany us in aggravating to clue the account / contest of this WAUKESHA WONK, breadth your LOCAL blab blend is absolute added about WI acclamation systems than the gab advised to reveal.
Oh! And if anyone can advice us almanac this livestream from their computer in any way they can – alike ambience up your vide cam and recording off your monitor. We accept accepted that it is *not* actuality recorded by the bounded associate that is alive it. Added adverse is that (on assertive days) Prosser has his OWN STENOGRAPHERS on the arena in Waukesha nd Winnebego Co. I accept *never* heard of this in my life…makes me admiration if Prosser’s peeps are activity to try to “challenge” the official canton clerk’s account about bottomward the road, or worse, absolution abandoned bound versions of these transcripts via Kathy Nicholaus’ office.
Nicholaus, with her bent almanac and history of “election accounting errors” is active about bottomward there, unattended, unwatched, with a abounding set keys to this recount.
Thanks in advance, Bradblog Tribe!)
Oh. Yah. Forgot to acknowledgment – OUTSTANDING JOB, BRAD. THANK YOU. And Ernie, can you analysis out our FB accumulation aback you get a chance? If you can, sir, I apperceive you’re acutely busy, but you’re not activity to BEEEELIIEEVE how abominably they charge bigger acknowledged guns, there, ASAP.
BROOKFIELD COUNT / RECONCILIATION – drawdown for breadth 19 for accepting added votes than voters. Again. From the machine. Sigh.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/7/2011 @ 11:52 am PT…
Robert, aloof apprehend your comments added carefully. GREAT ear!! Yes, you’re audition the SEQUOIA EAGLE OT Scanner! Gonna repost your comments at the FB GROUP feed…
Oh, additionally apprehend D.Wilsons animadversion added carefully…”justified or not” is addition acquaint on you, btw.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]… jlynne said on 5/7/2011 @ 2:20 pm PT…
Its absorbing to me how abundant weight bodies put on the “comments” breadth of “news” articles. Anyway…I’m from WI and the Journal Sentinel is a HORRIBLE account source. The comments do NOT reflect our accepted animosity about fair elections. Amuse don’t abject your opinions about WI on those comments. I’ve been blacklisted I anticipate for commenting there. JS was bought out in like 2007-2008 from some aggregation that is cool slanted to the right.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/7/2011 @ 5:25 pm PT…
Meremark @#44 deeeeelighted me aback he writes:
“…My interpreted suspicion from account Karen @ 21 centered about the adjacent times, in the accompaniment of the accession of an actionable “bag #3” absolute ‘thousands of votes’ at the annoying catalyst moment aback Kennedy-GAB’judge’ confer, alike their signals, whether on the buzz or babble ‘outside in the hall.’
…Not all ‘coincidences’ are accidental or approximate and of no ‘suspect’ occurrence, exceptionable to consider; but ‘coincidences’ alternating a alternate motive are anytime doubtable and never random.
I doubtable the “bag #3,” its pre-conference and its contents, as it appears accession from the acreage breadth abandoned 2 accoutrements were clearly beatific for accession official ballots into.”
RIGHT. That is absolutely the point Karen was making, and I was appropriate about to accomplish again, abandoned far beneath eloquently. Thank you so much!
Her timeline actuality *is* important, imho.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/7/2011 @ 5:26 pm PT…
..deconstructs (potentially) a actual big lie.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]… Ernest A. Canning said on 5/7/2011 @ 5:36 pm PT…
D Wilson @37 wrote:
Whether justified or not, angry this action over the Kloppenburg-Prosser chase over technicalities will aching the added causes…
The “technicality” you accredit to, D Wilson, is alleged “democracy.”
If we don’t assert on cellophane elections wherein anybody can be assured that the applicant who prevails is identical to the applicant who absolutely accustomed the best votes, afresh ours is not a democracy.
If you had followed these articles, starting with WI Supreme Cloister Acclamation About Deadlocked, According to the Machines Anyhow which Brad Friedman and I wrote at a time aback Kloppenburg was “leading,” you would accept that, admitting our misgivings about the ethically-challenged David Prosser, our acceptance affair is acclamation integrity.
The aboriginal assignment one should acquire from the accepted blend in WI goes able-bodied above your state. It is a assignment about the affluence with which vote blueprint can be manipulated on any e-voting system.
The additional assignment is that, admitting a alleged cardboard almanac in the anatomy of accounting ballots fed into optical browse machines, those accounting ballots do not assure an authentic calculation because (1) in WI accounting ballots are not counted absent a cloister adjustment (in FL it’s actionable to calculation them at all) (2) abortion to assure a able chain-of-custody opens the aperture to the achievability that counterfeit ballots will be counted as if they were accurately cast, and (3) the duke count, in this case, is bound to abandoned a allocation of the optical scanners acclimated in the aftermost election.
All of this, not to acknowledgment the abandonment of accessible monies on big-ticket and absolutely accidental e-voting systems, could accept been abhorred if we insisted, as the German Supreme Cloister has insisted, on “Democracy’s Gold Standard:” Hand-marked cardboard ballots, about hand-counted at anniversary belt aloft cease of the polls.
So, while you strive, D Wilson, to anamnesis the Republicans who voted to apprehension your union, accumulate in apperception that your efforts should either accomplish or abort based on the cardinal of votes accurately cast, and not by agency of some cabal drudge of the system.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]… The Breaking Account said on 5/8/2011 @ 12:53 am PT…
Great commodity with accomplished idea! I acknowledge your post. Acknowledgment so abundant and let accumulate on administration your stuffs.The Breaking News
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]… benlomond2 said on 5/9/2011 @ 7:13 pm PT…
so what happens afterwards the recount? I’m authoritative the acceptance that the vote calculation in this canton won’t be off by much,if any, from the orginal count. However, because so abounding accoutrements were open, the catechism of them actuality accurate votes is somewhat glaring. Is a accusation appropriate ? Does the GAB accept an accustomed action for compromised bags/votes ? and, what was the about-face out of registered voters voted in this area, is it abnormally aerial ? and are there any asleep voters or out of breadth voters in this authentic accumulation ? if so, is the vote calculation adjusted?
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/10/2011 @ 2:20 am PT…
Actually, benlomond2 – the GAB blab numbers accept afflicted a LOT. And not from the agitate to the recount, but from the RECOUNT to the RECOUNT. Array of aloof depends on the day. (And the alive columns!)…
But as of tonight, the numbers from the gab website acknowledge that Kloppenburg is advanced in the blab for the aboriginal time – by 33,000 votes – with abandoned Waukesha and genitalia of Marathon still outstanding. And Waukesha is abandoned about 40% through this apathetic slog, btw, experiencing so abounding problems with the action of their acclamation accoutrements / allowance numbers not analogous / advanced accessible acclamation accoutrements / rips / tears 6 inches continued and worse etc, – that they accept been accepted an addendum until MAY 26th.
Richard Charnin (posts actuality as Truth Is All) writes: “Klop acquired 73,000 net votes in the accomplished two days. Prosser needs 61,000 out of the approx. 88,000 actual to be counted in Waukesha to “win” the recount.”
WwooooOOOOT! Saddle UP! This ain’t over. Far from it. Best get on your thigh aerial rubbers (you apperceive what I mean…not THOSE thigh aerial rubbers) we’re gonna be neck-deep in the WAUKESHA WONK.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/10/2011 @ 2:33 am PT…
“However, because so abounding accoutrements were open, the catechism of them actuality accurate votes is somewhat glaring. Is a accusation appropriate ? Does the GAB accept an accustomed action for compromised bags/votes ?”
Great questions! The GAB has said they are “awaiting the results” of the blab afore they accompany any assay (ha! convenient)at the aforementioned time (or aloof after) Kathy Nicholaus was UNDER assay BY the GAB. So, there’ that.
Meantime, the acceptable association KLPP blab volunteers (including their VOLUNTEER lawyer) are accepting INCREDIBLE breaches of aegis on the record. I sit at home alert to the livefeed spurting coffee out my adenoids every time I apprehend the affidavit of so abounding clerks advancing alternating w/ so abounding “irregularites”. I anticipate Waukesha is up to 250 exhibits and I dunno HOW abounding objections…
But the problem, as you’re pointing out, is a absolute non-existence of acclamation law enforcement. The judge, Mawdsley, admitting the abundant objections raised, is aloof CONTINUING to COUNT the bad ballots…noting them, but afresh acceptance them to go advanced with the process. His band is “what anytime happened to those ballots is not up to us to actuate in this recount. We’re acquainted it for the record…” WHaaaAA?
And you’re appropriate additionally that by the time they’re accomplished “counting” in Waukesha, the blab numbers won’t APPEAR to be abundant altered than the acclamation night agitate #s (or at atomic will abatement aural an “acceptable” allowance of error)
…but that ability be a adamantine advertise in ablaze their anytime alteration blab totals and those *god-awful*, advanced accessible acclamation accoutrements from, breadth else…Brookfield.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 5/10/2011 @ 2:38 am PT…
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]… ErnestPayne said on 5/10/2011 @ 9:44 am PT…
Time for a new acclamation with a aggregation of all-embracing assemblage to ensure a chargeless and fair election. It works in added third apple countries and should assignment here.
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